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Llevo años diciendolo llego el super humano

MensajePublicado: Nov 26 2018    Título: Llevo años diciendolo llego el super humano
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Los chinos llevan años experimentando, Occidente por culpa de su estúpida religion en el total atrazo.

China afirma que está creando los primeros bebés editados genéticamente con CRISPR y hay buenas razones para pensar que es verdad
China afirma que está creando los primeros bebés editados genéticamente con CRISPR y hay buenas razones para pensar que es verdad

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Javier Jiménez
hace 8 horas - Actualizado 26 Noviembre 2018, 13:51
China ya es oficialmente el salvaje oeste de la ingeniería genética. Si en 2015, cuando un grupo de investigadores chinos anunciaron que habían ‘tocado’ el ADN de un embrión en el laboratorio, los expertos se llevaron las manos a la cabeza. Cuando a principios de 2018 trascendió que llevaban años editando genéticamente a sus ciudadanos, la alarma fue brutal.

La mayor parte de expertos coinciden en que no estamos preparados para hacerlo: aún no sabemos lo suficiente como para asegurar que estos experimentos van a llegar a buen puerto. Pero el gigante asiático no se da por aludido: Según informa AP, un equipo de investigadores chinos dice que los dos primeros bebés editados con CRIPSR acaban de nacer en Shenzhen, a pocos kilómetros de Hong Kong.

Falta confirmación independiente, pero los indicios son claros

Quién hace las declaraciones es el mismo coordinador del proyecto, He Jiankui, según el cual dos mellizas editadas genéticamente nacieron este mes de noviembre. Por ahora ni AP ni ningún medio occidental ha podido confirmarlo de forma independiente, por lo que hemos de recordar el caso de la falsa clonación humana de Hwang Woo-suk y mantener un sano escepticismo


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Sin embargo, sí que tenemos pruebas de que el equipo de la Universidad de Ciencia y Tecnología del Sur lleva meses reclutando parejas para esto. A la luz de los documentos que se manejan, el equipo de He Jiankui lleva bastante tiempo haciendo experimentos con fetos de hasta seis meses con la idea de 'inactivar' el gen CCR5 con un enfoque técnicamente sencillo.

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A mi no me cabe duda alguna de que sí se está retocando genéticamente al ser humano, pero en el total silencio.

Y no solamente en la china.

El nivel de hipocresía y falsedad en las áreas de la medicina y la farmacéutica no da cabida a otra interpretación de que sí lo están haciendo.

Extrapolando un poco, no me llamaría la atención ni un milímetro si se descubriese que dichas investigaciones también son financiadas por el vaticano.
En una de esas descubren cómo modificar el gen del pecado original, y así nos ahorraríamos el bautizo.

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En una de esas descubren cómo modificar el gen del pecado original, y así nos ahorraríamos el bautizo.


No estaría mal ¡Pecador! icon_mrgreen.gif

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La religión en muchos temas es un freno contra la ciencia

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Por qué los textos de Lobo siempre son tan largos? frown.gif

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Martha

No los leas.

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La religión en muchos temas es un freno contra la ciencia


Se calculan más de 400 años de atrazo por culpa del cristianismo

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Por qué los textos de Lobo siempre son tan largos?


Porque, además de sus propias opiniones, cita los textos que las avalan.

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Ya lo trató de hacer adolfo.

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La Manipulacion Genetica Humana NO esta estancada o muy lenta por situaciones RELIGIOSAS...


La manipulación genética humana SI está estancada por la influencia de católicos y evangélicos.

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La manipulación genética humana SI está estancada por la influencia de católicos y evangélicos.


Por supuesto pero este idiota adoctrinado de Magione, no opinará más lo que sus amos le dicten.

Hay muchas cosas más en la que los chinos han avanzado, la investigación en células mama es impresionante, yo tuve ya un tratamiento el año pasado en un centro médico en Shanghai.

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El idiota dice tener información jajaja

World’s first gene-edited babies created in China, claims scientist

Unconfirmed scientific breakthrough sparks ethical and moral concerns

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Mon 26 Nov 2018 10.07 GMTLast modified on Mon 26 Nov 2018 16.50 GMT

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A scientist in China claims to have created the world’s first genetically edited babies, in a potentially ground-breaking and controversial medical first.

If true, it would be a profound leap of science and ethics. This kind of gene editing is banned in most countries as the technology is still experimental and DNA changes can pass to future generations, potentially with unforeseen side-effects.

Many mainstream scientists think it is too unsafe to try, and some denounced the Chinese report as human experimentation.

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The researcher, He Jiankui of Southern University of Science and Technology in Shenzhen, said he altered embryos for seven couples during fertility treatments, with one pregnancy resulting so far. He said his goal was not to cure or prevent an inherited disease, but to try to bestow a trait that few people naturally have: an ability to resist possible future infection with HIV.

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He said the parents involved declined to be identified or interviewed, and he would not say where they lived or where the work was done. There is no independent confirmation of He’s claim, and it has not been published in a journal, where it would be vetted by other experts.

He revealed it on Monday in Hong Kong to one of the organisers of an international conference on gene editing that is due to begin on Tuesday, and earlier in interviews with the Associated Press.

“I feel a strong responsibility that it’s not just to make a first, but also make it an example,” He said. “Society will decide what to do next” in terms of allowing or forbidding such science.

Some scientists were astounded to hear of the claim and strongly condemned it. It was “unconscionable … an experiment on human beings that is not morally or ethically defensible,” said Dr Kiran Musunuru, a University of Pennsylvania gene-editing expert.

“If true, this experiment is monstrous,” said Julian Savulescu, a professor of practical ethics at the University of Oxford. “The embryos were healthy. No known diseases. Gene editing itself is experimental and is still associated with off-target mutations, capable of causing genetic problems early and later in life, including the development of cancer.”

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“There are many effective ways to prevent HIV in healthy individuals: for example, protected $e×. And there are effective treatments if one does contract it. This experiment exposes healthy normal children to risks of gene editing for no real necessary benefit. In many other places in the world, this would be illegal punishable by imprisonment.”

In recent years, scientists have discovered a relatively easy way to edit genes, the strands of DNA that govern the body. The tool, called Crispr-Cas9, makes it possible to operate on DNA to supply a needed gene or disable one that is causing problems.

It has only recently been tried in adults to treat deadly diseases, and the changes are confined to that person. If sperm, eggs or embryos were to be edited, the changes could then be inherited.

He Jiankui studied at Rice and Stanford universities in the US before returning to his homeland to open a lab at Southern University of Science and Technology of China in Shenzhen, where he also has two genetics companies.

He said he practised editing mice, monkey and human embryos in the lab for several years and has applied for patents on his methods. He said he chose embryo gene editing for HIV because these infections are a major problem in China. He sought to disable a gene called CCR5 that forms a protein doorway that allows HIV, the virus that causes Aids, to enter a cell.

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All of the men in the project had HIV and all of the women did not, but the gene editing was not aimed at preventing the small risk of transmission, he said. The fathers had their infections deeply suppressed by standard HIV medicines and there are simple ways to keep them from infecting offspring that do not involve altering genes. Instead, the appeal was to offer couples affected by HIV a chance to have a child that might be protected from a similar fate.

He said the gene editing occurred during in vitro fertilisation. First, sperm was “washed” to separate it from s***n, in which HIV can lurk. A single sperm was placed into a single egg to create an embryo. Then the gene-editing tool was added. When the embryos were three to five days old, a few cells were removed and checked for editing. Couples could choose whether to use edited or unedited embryos for pregnancy attempts. In all, 16 of 22 embryos were edited, and 11 embryos were used in six implant attempts before the twin pregnancy was achieved, He said.

Tests suggest that one twin had both copies of the intended gene altered and the other twin had just one altered, with no immediate evidence of harm to other genes, He said. People with one copy of the gene can still get HIV.

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Musunuru said that even if editing worked perfectly, people without normal CCR5 genes faced higher risks of contracting certain other viruses, such as West Nile, and of dying from flu. Since there are many ways to prevent HIV infection and it is treatable if it occurs, those other medical risks are a concern.

There also are questions about the way He said he proceeded. He gave official notice of his work long after he said he started it, on 8 November. It is also unclear whether participants fully understood the purpose and potential risks and benefits; for example, consent forms called the project an Aids vaccine development programme.

He said he personally made the goals clear and told participants that embryo gene editing had never been tried before and carried risks. He said he also would provide insurance coverage for any children conceived through the project and plans medical follow-up until the children are 18, and longer if they agree once they are adults.

“I believe this is going to help the families and their children,” He said. If it caused unwanted side-effects or harm, “I would feel the same pain as they do and it’s going to be my own responsibility”.

Dr Sarah Chan, a bioethicist at the University of Edinburgh, said that if true, the experiment was “of grave ethical concern”.

“Whether or not the veracity of these reports is eventually borne out, making such claims in a way that seems deliberately designed to provoke maximum controversy and shock value is irresponsible and unethical,” she said.

“The claim made by those responsible for the research is that the babies have been genome edited in an attempt to make them immune to HIV. The lifetime risk of contracting HIV is extremely low in the first place; there are other means of prevention and it is no longer an incurable, inevitably terminal disease. Putting these children at such drastic risk for such a marginal gain is unjustifiable.”

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Magionne se burla de la medicina alternativa de Lobo y Selfruled abre un tema en modo sarcástico acerca de la homeopatía... ¿Qué clase de mente criminal tenemos aquí? icon_eek.gif

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Por qué los textos de Lobo siempre son tan largos?


Exactamente por lo que has dicho, porque son largos. cool.gif

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